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Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!herbie.qualcomm.com!kbibb From: kbibb@herbie.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: MUSIC: Marillion and Fish FAQ [2/2] Supersedes: <marillion2_763787397@qualcomm.com> Followup-To: poster Date: 15 Apr 1994 13:14:14 GMT Organization: QUALCOMM, Incorporated; San Diego, CA, USA Lines: 979 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Expires: 29 May 1994 13:14:01 GMT Message-ID: <marillion2_766415641@qualcomm.com> References: <marillion1_766415641@qualcomm.com> Reply-To: jschipper@hut.nl (Jeroen Schipper) NNTP-Posting-Host: herbie.qualcomm.com Summary: A list of frequently asked questions and their answers about Marillion and Fish, their music and the mailinglist Freaks. Read this document before subscribing to Freaks. Keywords: marillion fish freaks Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu alt.music.progressive:21729 alt.answers:2436 news.answers:18073 Archive-name: music/marillion-faq/part2 Last-modified: 1994/2/09 Version: 2.0 ================================================= = MARILLION AND FISH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS = ================================================= Version 2.0 Compiled by Jeroen Schipper ------------------------------ Subject: CONTENTS *** QUESTIONS 0-3.16 ARE ANSWERED IN PART 1 *** 3.17 What studio albums were released? 4. New Marillion 4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion? 4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion? 4.3 What is a banquo? 4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer? 4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish? 4.6 Who is Privet Hedge? 4.7 What's Brave all about? 4.8 Who's John Helmer? 4.9 What studio albums and singles were released? 5. Fish Solo 5.1 Why is Fish called Fish? 5.2 What's this talk about a new book called "The Masque"? 5.3 What does Fish mumble at the end of "Vigil"? 5.4 Doesn't the guy on the Vigil cover look like Mark Kelly? 5.5 Who is "Speaking in Tongues" dedicated to and why? 5.6 Does Fish have net access? 5.7 Fish the actor? 5.8 What solo projects did Fish do? 5.9 What's the Funny Farm? 5.10 Do you have some more info on Suits? 5.11 What studio albums and singles were released? 6. Books, videos, bootlegs 6.1 What books are there on Marillion/Fish? 6.2 What videos are there? 6.3 What's a bootleg? 6.4 How many bootlegs are there? 6.5 Where can I buy bootlegs? 7. Fanclubs 7.1 Addresses of Marillion fanclubs 7.2 Addresses of Fish fanclubs 7.3 What about the official bootlegs? 8. Other bands 8.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend? ------------------------------ Subject: 3.17 What studio albums and singles were released? Not even close to a discography, but a head start anyway. This list is not in exact chronological order, but pretty close. All albums are in CAPITALS, singles are not: 1982 Market Square Heroes/Three Boats Down From the Candy/Grendel 1983 SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S TEAR Side 1: Script for a Jester's Tear/He Knows You Know/The Web Side 2: Garden Party/Chelsea Monday/Forgotten Sons 1983 He Knows You Know/Charting the Single 1983 Garden Party/Margaret 1984 FUGAZI Side 1: Assassing/Punch and Judy/Jigsaw/Emerald Lies Side 2: She Chameleon/Incubus/Fugazi 1984 Punch and Judy/Market Square Heroes/Three Boats down from the Candy(*) 1984 Assassing/Cinderella Search 1985 REAL TO REEL (live) Side 1: Assassing/Incubus/Cinderella Search Side 2: Forgotten Sons/Garden Party/Market Square Heroes 1985 MISPLACED CHILDHOOD Side 1: Pseudo Silk Kimono/Kayleigh/Lavender/Bitter Suite i) Brief Encounter ii) Lost Weekend iii) Blue Angel iv) Misplaced Rendezvous V) Windswept Thumb/ Heart of Lothian i) Wide Boy ii) Curtain Call Side 2: Waterhole (Expresso Bongo)/Lords of the Backstage/ Blind Curve i) Vocal Under A Bloodlight ii) Passing Strangers iii) Mylo iv) Perimeter Walk v) Threshold Childhood's End?/White Feather 1985 Kayleigh/Lady Nina (the 12" also featured a remix of Kayleigh) 1985 Lavender/Freaks (Lavender is a little different than the album version) 1985 Heart of Lothian/Chelsea Monday (live) (the 12" has an instrumental version of Windswept Thumb as intro) 1986 Lady Nina/Heart of Lothian (rerelease only in USA) 1986 BRIEF ENCOUNTER (live) (LP only) Side 1: Lady Nina/Freaks/Kayleigh (Live) Side 2: Fugazi (Live)/Script For A Jester's Tear (Live) 1987 CLUTCHING AT STRAWS Side 1: Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night (The Short Straw)/Going Under(**)/Just For The Record/ White Russian Side 2: Incommunicado/Torch Song/Slainte Mhath/Sugar Mice The Last Straw/Happy Ending 1987 Incommunicado/Going Under 1987 Sugar Mice/Tux On 1987 Warm Wet Circles/White Russian (live) 1988 B'SIDES THEMSELVES Side 1: Grendel/Charting the Single/Market Square Heroes Three Boats Down From the Candy Side 2: Cinderella Search/Lady Nina/Freaks/Tux On/Margaret(Live) 1988 THE THIEVING MAGPIE (LA GAZZA LADRA) (live) Side 1: Intro (La Gazza Ladra)/Slainte Mhath/He Knows You Know Chelsea Monday Side 2: Misplaced Childhood Part 1 and 2 (all the album tracks) Side 3: Jigsaw/Punch & Judy/Sugar Mice/Fugazi Side 4: Script For A Jester's Tear/Incommunicado/White Russian (*) The versions of Market Square Heroes and Three_BftC on this B-Side differ from the 'original' single release. These are the versions that ended up on B-Sides themselves. (**) Only on the CD. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion? Friday September 16, 1988 was a black day for Marillion fans. Fish announced that he had left Marillion to start a solo career. It was explained in a letter to the fanclub: "During the process of writing the new album it became apparent that differences, both musically and lyrically, between Fish and the rest of the band were irreconcilable" Fish said: "I've had a brilliant 7 years with Marillion; however, recently the musical directions of the band have diversified to such an extent I realised the time had come to embark on a solo career" The Fish-era was ended with the release of "The Thieving Magpie" which was a double live album with tracks from 1982-1988, a thank-you to the fans. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion? After Fish left Marillion, the band started auditioning new singers to fill the empty place. Not much luck until Steve Hogarth showed up. He got the job, but asked for a week to think it over. He agreed and 'Hogy' became the new singer of Marillion. He also plays some keyboards, even at live concerts, but singing is more important. Mark Kelly still does most of the keyboards. Before Marillion, Hogarth sang in several bands including 'The Europeans' and 'How we Live'. He also played all the keyboards on the Australian avante-pop band Do Re Mi's first album. Here's a (pretty complete) discography of his pre-Marillion material: DO RE MI 19?? Domestic Harmony CD Catalog #CDV2367, Virgin UK THE EUROPEANS 7" 1978 Europeans/Voices Heartbeat Pulse 2 1979 On the Continent (or Avon Calling) Heartbeat HB 1 7" 1982 The Animal Song/ Someone's Changing A&M AMS 9239 LP 1983 Vocabulary A&M AMLX 68 558 12" 1983 American People/ Going to Work(long version)/Someone's Changing/ New Industry A&M AMX 158 7" 1983 American People/ Going to Work A&M AMS 7" 1984 Recognition/ New Industry A&M AMS 9714 LP 1984 Live (Limited Edition) A&M SCOT 1 LP 1984 Recurring Dreams A&M AMA 5034 7" 1984 Acid Rain/ edits from Recurring Dreams A&M FREE 1 (promo) HOW WE LIVE 7" 1986 Working Town Portrait PRT 650088 7 MC 1986 Working Town & Interview (promo) Portrait XPC 650088 12" 1986 All the Time In the World/ All the Time (7" vers.)/Lost At Sea Portrait PRT 650088 6 7" 1987 All the Time In the World/ Lost at Sea Portrait PRT 650088 7 LP 1987 Dry Land Portrait PRT 450618 1 12" 1987 Games In Germany/ Lost At Sea/ India Portrait PRT ? ------------------------------ Subject: 4.3 What is a banquo? In the song Uninvited Guest Hogarth sings: "I'm the Banquo at your banquet". In Shakespeare's Macbeth, Banquo is one of Macbeth's friends. Eventually (you'll have to read the whole thing to find out the details) Macbeth has him killed. Later, Banquo's ghost (or many say just a 'mad vision' of a ghost that Macbeth has) shows up at a banquet he is holding in honor of Macbeth's ascension to the Scottish throne. Macbeth goes crazy, because he thought he had had Banquo killed. It's a great play (plug) as is just about anything by Shakespeare (plug plug). A must-read for anyone who just LOVES Hogarth's (or John Helmer's) lyrics. :) ------------------------------ Subject: 4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer? Also from Uninvited guest: "I'm your fifteen stone first-footer". First-footer is a Scottish term relating to the New Year (Hogmanay). A first-footer is a person who is the first person to enter your house on January 1st. That persons would be about 15 stone (which is 15 * 14 = 210 pounds). When this person comes into your house, you must give him all the food he/she wants! In other words, after The Bells (midnight on 31 December) you have to ensure that your "first footer" is a tall person who should be carrying a small lump of coal, which would traditionally go onto your fire (remember it's cold and dark at New Year in Scotland!). The early hours of 1 January are traditionally spent going from house to house in your neighbourhood visiting people and welcoming in the New Year (drinking!). ------------------------------ Subject: 4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish? There has been a rumor that EMI once suggested a reunion show. Rothery and Kelly were vehemently against it, Hogarth and Trewavas were for it, and Mosley was ambivalent, so they decided to can the idea. It's not totally impossible there'll be a reunion show, but don't wait up... The closest thing to a reunion was a charity single that both Fish and Marillion took part in. The single "Sailing" (by Rock Against Repatriation) was recorded on two days, many British bands and singers took part. Marillion and Fish were invited to come on different days, Marillion was not informed that Fish also took part, and Fish wasn't informed about Marillion as well... ------------------------------ Subject: 4.6 Who is Privet Hedge? Cristopher Hedge (which is his real name) has been with the band for many years and he takes care of the sound at concerts (at the mixing table) and also in the studio. There is an interview in Fanzine 2 of the Dutch Marillion Fanclub (spring '92). It is mainly about the kind of equipment he uses. Privet is an actual word and it is a small shrub or bush that is used for hedges around yards. Not surprisingly it's mainly a british word. PRIVET n. any of a genus of shrubs or trees of the olive family, with bluish-black berries and spikes of white flowers, often grown for hedges. Also called Lingustrum vulgare (the common privet). So the name Privet is a nickname given jokingly because of the guy's surname. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.7 What's Brave all about? Here are some fragments from an on-stage interview with Hogarth and Pete Trewavas, that was done before the album was released: (To Pete:) "Can you describe the new album?". Pete starts talking about the music: "Brave" is gonna be a concept album like Misplaced_CH, one long piece of music. Quite specific, he said it was gonna be 64 minutes (yeah!). It has 19 tracks, some of which are just bridges between the real songs. And there are no hitsingles on it, they're pretty much doing what they want. (To Hogarth:) "What's the album lyrically about?". Hogy tells a long story: He lived in Bath (I think it was) for a while and one day he heard a police message on the radio. The police had found a young girl wandering on a highway bridge (which is illegal). The girl was in some kind of shock and wouldn't talk at all, so the police didn't know her name. That's why they were asking on the radio if anybody knew that girl. This what the album is about, Hogy said he was very touched by this. And before he gave back the microphone he said "and may I add that this is just gonna be he best piece of music we've ever made!". Initially the title of the album was "Severn", as the highway bridge mentioned above was a bridge over the river Severn. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.8 Who's John Helmer? John Helmer has written several lyrics for Marillion since Fish left. He already write some lyrics before Hogarth joined the band. Hogarth writes many lyrics as well, but John Helmer is always around to help out (which is why Hogy has refered to him as "John Helper" ;). Most of the lyrics to Seasons End were written by John Helmer. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.9 What studio albums and singles were released? Marillion with Hogarth has released the following albums and singles so far (CAPITALS are albums): 1989 SEASONS END Side 1: The King Of Sunset Town/Easter/The Uninvited Guest Seasons End Side 2: Holloway Girl/Berlin/After Me(*)/Hooks In You/The Space 1989 Hooks in You/After Me 1989 Uninvited Guest/The Bell in the Sea 1990 Easter/The Release 1991 HOLIDAYS IN EDEN Side 1: Splintering Heart/Cover My Eyes (Pain And Heaven) The Party/No One Can Side 2: Holidays In Eden/Dry Land/Waiting To Happen/This Town The Rakes Progress/100 Nights 1991 Cover My Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/How Can it Hurt 1991 No One Can/A Collection 1991 Dry Land/Holloway Girl 1992 Sympathy/Kayleigh (live w/Hogarth) 1992 A SINGLES COLLECTION Side 1: Cover my Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/Kayleigh/Easter Warm Wet Circles/Uninvited Guest/Assassing/Hooks in You Side 2: Garden Party/No One Can/Incommunicado/Dry Land/Lavender I Will Walk on Water/Sympathy 1992 LIVE AT THE BORDERLINE (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3) Splintering Heart/Easter/King of Sunset Town/Waiting to Happen/ Sympathy/Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Uninvited Guest/ Slainte Mhath/The Release/Hooks in You/Garden Party 1992 LIVE AT CARACAS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3) Splintering Heart/Holidays In Eden/Script For A Jester's Tear Easter/Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart Of Lothian/Cover My Eyes/Slainte Mhath The Space/Waiting To Happen/Hooks In You 1993 LIVE AT GLASGOW BARROWLANDS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3) King of Sunset Town/Slainte Mhath/Uninvited Guest/Easter/ Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night/Holloway Girl/ (Emanuel)/Seasons End/Berlin/The Space 1993 The Great Escape/Made Again/Marouatte Jam 1994 BRAVE Bridge/Living with the big Lie/Runaway/Goodbye to all That/ Hard as Love/The Hollow Man/Alone Again in the Lap of Luxury/ Paper Lies/Brave/The Great Escape/Made Again (*) Only on the CD. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.1 Why is Fish called Fish? Contrary to the rock 'n' roll legend, Fish was not so called due to his drinking exploits (though these were many), but to an old bedsit habit. His aged landlady would only let him have one bath a week, so he would make a night of it by taking in sweets, cigarettes, cans of beer, and a good book. There he would sit quite happily for most of the evening. Many a time friends coming to see him would have to wait hours until he emerged as the landlady wouldn't tell him anyone was there. According to the book "Market Square Heroes": "Fish, says Fish, suited him because of the nickname the friend had bestowed after waiting nearly two hours for him to finish having a bath, and because it was also the off-stage nickname of Chris Squire, the bass player of Yes, who Fish says he greatly admired, and not least because it was the name of the leader of a gang of romantic street-smarts in a TV show from Derek's teenage years. 'It was for all those reasons. I identified with all those characters in my head, the partying musician, the leader of the outlaws, and the lazy slob lying in the bath for hours keeping his bottom warm.'"--p100. This is why his friends called him "Fish"! ------------------------------ Subject: 5.2 What's this talk about a new book called "The Masque"? Mark Wilkinson and Fish at one point were planning to release an artbook called "The Masque". The book was to include _all_ the cover art Mark Wilkinson has done for Marillion and Fish with explanations by Fish himself on how each piece relates to the lyrics. The book has supposedly been ready now for many years, but due to various problems it has not yet been published. First there were legal issues with Marillion about the royalties, Then they couldn't find a publisher. I don't know what the latest excuse is, but it's definitely not for sale yet. As soon as it is, you'll read about it on the Freaks mailinglist. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.3 What does Fish mumble at the end of Vigil? This is very difficult to hear on the album, but it's easier to hear on live versions of Vigil. He says: "And the boy stood, and stared at the Hill, And the Hill stared back..." ------------------------------ Subject: 5.4 Doesn't the guy on the Vigil foldout look like Mark Kelly? Only if you have the first pressing ;-) Look real close (much better visible on the LP cover) at the picture that's on the inside of the booklet, and you'll see three men sitting around a fire. They're sitting in the middle of a lot of garbage at the bottom of the Hill. The one on the left is Mark Kelly, the one on the right is John Arnison (the manager of Marillion). And there's more: the car on top of the Hill has a license plate that is very similar to Mark Kelly's license plate at the time... On the barrel on the left of the picture, the one with the toxic waste dripping out, it says: "Welcome Skyline Drifters". This was the name Marillion used on several gigs in the eighties. Notice the jester cap hanging out of the barrel. Now look at the Seasons End cover. On later pressings the faces were painted black. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.5 Who is "Speaking in Tongues" dedicated to and why? Speaking in Tongues (from the album "Internal Exile") is 'dedicated' to EMI, on which his first album "Vigil" was released. Fish was not at all happy with EMI and wanted to change to another record label. So he changed to Polydor and wrote this song to express his feelings about EMI. Polydor was not happy with this, but they let him put it on the album anyway. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.6 Does Fish have net access? No. Although there once was a rumor, Fish does not have net access. He does know of the existence of this list and occasionally people have sent him printouts of the digests. Fish said once that he'd love to join the list, but don't expect it to happen. He doesn't have the time for it. _IF_ he would join the list, some people say they expect a flame war against Marillion and others were worried about posting any negative comments on Fish. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.7 Fish the actor? Fish has done a little acting, mainly some TV stuff. He also auditioned (believe it or not) for a role in Aliens III. He had a guest star role on an episode of Zorro, where he plays a farmer who's persecuted for being a witch. The episode is called "The Newcomers". In a mini-series on the BBC called "Jute City", he played a hired heavy, who tried to kill John Sessions' character in the series (if only it was for real and he had succeeded!). They also subliminally advertised Fish's album eg. when he went in a pub, the song "Internal Exile" was on the jukebox. ------------------------------ Subject: 5.8 What solo projects did Fish do? Fish can be heard on a number of CD's from other artists, this list has album title and the tracks Fish can be heard on. Also some singles he participated in, mainly for charity. Album: Soundtrack Quicksilver (Tony Banks) Shortcut to Somewhere Album: Still (Tony Banks) Angel Face Another Murder of a Day Album: Spartacus (Jeff Wayne) Fish has some spoken lines and sings two songs Album: Fall of the House Usher (Peter Hammill) Fish is credited, but he doesn't sing anything on the album Album: Outpatients '93 (The Funny Farm Project) Fish sings three songs, including one with Steve Howe on guitar Single: Live-in World Various artists including Fish Single: Spirit of the Rain Forest Various artists including Fish Single: Say it with Pride Various artists including Fish Single: Sailing - Rock Against Repatriation Various artists including Fish Single: Better World Sciennes Primary 6 children and Fish ------------------------------ Subject: 5.9 What's the Funny Farm? The Funny Farm is Fish's own recording studio in Scotland. He build this studio, so he could write/produce his own music there. But also to promote other Scottish bands, who can use the studio as well. The first result of this is the CD "Outpatients '93", which features tracks from several unknown Scottish bands. To make the CD bit more interesting, Fish put three of his own songs on it as well: "Time and a Word" (with Steve Howe), "The Seeker" (These are two cover songs that didn't make it to "Songs from the Mirror") "Out of my Life" (An acoustic version of a tracks from the forthcomming "Suits" album) ------------------------------ Subject: 5.10 Do you have some more info on Suits? The tracklisting will be something like: Pipeline, Raw Meat, Emperor's Song, Lady let it Lie, Out of my Life, Somebody Special, Mr. 1470, Jumpsuit City. Fish has played all these tracks many times during tryouts at the Outpatients tour. Unfortuantely, due to many reason (yet all unknown) the Suits album won't be released before May 1994. Too bad, because since I was at two of the tryout I'm convinced "Suits" will be another GREAT Fish album! ------------------------------ Subject: 5.11 What studio albums and singles were released? Short overview of what Fish has done so far. Again the album titles are in CAPITALS: 1989 VIGIL IN A WILDERNESS OF MIRRORS Side 1: Vigil/Big Wedge/State of Mind/The Company Side 2: A Gentleman's Excuse Me/Family Business/View From The Hill Cliche 1989 State of Mind/The Voyeur 1989 Big Wedge/Jack and Jill 1990 A Gentleman's Excuse Me/Whiplash 1990 The Company/Punch and Judy (live) 1991 INTERNAL EXILE Side 1: Shadowplay/Credo/Just Good Friends (Close) Favourite Stranger Side 2: Lucky/Dear Friend/Tongues/Internal Exile 1991 Internal Exile/Carnival Man 1991 Credo/Poets Moon 1992 Something in the Air/Dear Friend (live) 1993 SONGS FROM THE MIRROR Side 1: Question/Boston Tea Party/Fearless/Apeman Side 2: Hold your head Up/Solo/I Know What I Like/Jeepster Five years 1993 Never Mind the Bullocks (featuring Hold Your Head Up)/Question/ 5 Years 1993 PIGPEN'S BIRTHDAY (Fanclub bootleg (2CD), see 7.3) 1993 DEREK DICK AND HIS AMAZING ELECTRIC BEAR (Fanclub bootleg (2CD), 7.3) 1993 UNCLE FISH AND THE CRYPT CREEPERS (Fanclub bootleg (2CD), see 7.3) 1993 FOR WHOM THE BELLS TOLL! (Fanclub bootleg (2CD), see 7.3) 1993 TOILING IN THE REEPERBAHN (Fanclub bootleg (2CD), see 7.3) 1994 LIVE FROM UTRECHT (Fanclub bootleg) (not yet released) 1994 Lady Let it Lie (not yet released) 1994 SUITS (not yet released) ------------------------------ Subject: 6.1 What books are there on Marillion/Fish? This listing contains some information on the 3 books that are available on Marillion and Fish (currently nothing on Fish solo). Title : Marillion in Words and Pictures Author : Carol Clerk Published by : Bobcat Books: London, 1985 ISBN : 0.7119.0768 Order No : OP 43512 Other : Softcover, 47 pages Approx. price: US$5.95 Exclusive distributors: Book sales Limited 8/9 Frith St. London W1V 5TZ, UK This book is mostly color and black and white photos of the band, especially Fish, in concert and just hanging out. But it also gives a good overview of the band's history from the early days through the release of Misplaced Childhood. Some of its highlights are the recipe for Grendels, an explanation of the Fish/Derek conflict, and some insights into "The Web" and Misplaced Childhood. Title : The Script: An illustrated biography Author : Clive Gifford Publisher : Omnibus Press, London, 1987 ISBN : 0.7119.1113.4 Order No : OP 44304 Other : Softcover 96 pages Price : Approx. US$10.95 Exclusive distributors: Book Sale Limited 8/9 Frith St. London W1V 5TZ, UK The Script is an illustrated bio of the group by Clive Gifford. It's only 96 pages (with a lot of pictures), so it is not as extensive as "Market Square Heroes". This book was written after the release of "Misplaced Childhood," but before "Clutching at Straws." It has a complete discography of all of Marillion's singles, albums, videos, demos, bootlegs, promos, etc. with descriptions of distinctive features of the work (i.e. picture disk). Title : Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion Author : Mick Wall (foreword by Fish) Publisher : Sidgwick and Jackson Limited ISBN : 0-283-99426-6 Other : 310 pages Address: 1 Tavistock Chambers, Bloomsbury Way London WC1A 2SG Great Britain Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion is probably the most informative of the Marillion books I've seen. It has the least amount of pictures, but those they have are of a historical nature. I'd say it is the most honest of the various books -- it's a real biography, not just a cheap attempt to raise money off of the fans. After reading the book, I felt I knew Fish, Steve Rothery, Pete, Ian, and Mark. The book is tailored for the fan however -- Mick Wall's appreciation of the band and the songs are quite in evidence. It has on the back cover that "The main reason the band and I [Fish] wanted this book to be written, was because there's never been anything published that truly got to grips with the real story of Marillion." I'd agree. If you are looking for facts on Marillion through the release of Clutching at Straws, I'd recommend Market Square Heroes -- if you want pictures of Fish and the band, go somewhere else . . . Title : Marillion: `The Thieving Magpie' (La Gazza Ladra) Author : Roger Day Publisher : Wise Pulications, London 1989 ISBN : 0.7119.1837.6 Other : Order No. AM74758. This book contains scores for everything on The Thieving Magpie, including Freaks and the whole of Misplaced Childhood. ------------------------------ Subject: 6.2 What videos are there? Currently 7 videos exist, all of Marillion. Here's the listing: Title : Recital of the Script Time : 55:00 Script for a Jester's Tear/Garden Party/Chelsea Monday/ He Know You Know/Forgotten Sons/Market Square Heroes Very good live video from a concert at the Hammersmith Odeon. It says on the back: "It was the night a dream came through - when two years of motorway madness, greasy spoon meals, and interminable club gigs suddenly all seemed worthwhile. Hammersmith Odeon - the oft-sought but seldom attained aim of every rock band. A capacity audience hanging on to every note and a massive stage for Marillion to present their stunning visual theatrics in spectacular style. Powerful, dramatic music; provocative lyrics and superlative musicianship. A night to remember - for Marillion to savour with understandable relish as a major milestone in their career" Title : Grendel/The Web (EP) Time : 28:00 Contains: Grendel/The Web (live) This video has two live tracks; both were encores at the Hammersmith Odeon concert of "Recital of the Script". It says on the back: "'Grendel' was originally released on vinyl in October 1982 - our first ever release on EMI - and an unplanned third encore at the Hammersmith Odeon show in April 1983. 'The Web' has not been per- formed live since this show....." Title : 1982-86 The Videos Time : 35:00 Market Square Heroes/He Knows You Know/Garden Party/Assassing/ Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Lady Nina All the videoclips up to 1986. Some are very good, especially Garden Party is very funny. Title : Incommunicado C/W Sugar Mice Time : 8:46 Contains: Incommunicado/Sugar Mice (videoclips) Title : Live from Lorely Time : Slainte Mhath/Assassing/Script for a Jester's Tear/Incubus/Sugar Mice Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night/Kayleigh/ Lavender/Heart of Lothian/The Last Straw/Incommunicado Good live video, recorded in St. Goarshausen (Germany) on July 18, 1987. It starts with "La Gazza Ladra" as intro and some backstage shots. Title : From Stoke Row to Ipanema Time : 90:00 Hooks in You/Uninvited Guest (videoclips) Eric (live rehearsal) Hollywood Rock Festival, Brazil 1990 Kayleigh/Lavender/Hooks in You (live) Easter (video) The Ultimate Gift (live rehearsal) De Montfort Hall, Leicester, England, 24th April 1990 The King of Sunset Town/Easter/Holloway Girl/ Berlin/Season's End (live) This video contains some interview with the band, especially to introduce Steve Hogarth, who recently joined the band at this time. Title : A Singles Collection Time : Sympathy/Cover My Eyes/No One Can/Dry Land/Hooks in You/ Uninvited Guest/Easter (with Hogarth) Warm Wet Circles/Incommunicado/Kayleigh/Lavender/Assassing/ Garden Party (with Fish) Once again a lot of videos, only the first 4 tracks were not released on a video before. Accompanies the CD with the same name. In the USA this video is called "Six of One, Half a Dozen of the Other" Title : Kerrang! Metal Monsters Catalog : R0471VH This is a Kerrang! compilation tape (or video LP actually) that has various video's, including He Knows You Know. Full tracklisting: Iron Maiden - "Aces High", Whitesnake - "Slow An' Easy", Helix "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'", Wendy O. Williams "It's My Life", MARILLION "He Knows You Know", Motorhead "Killed By Death", Scorpions "Rock You Like A Hurricane", W.A.S.P. "Love Machine", Queensryche "Queen Of The Reich", Armored Saint "Can U Deliver", Alcatrazz "God Blessed Video", Bon Jovi "Runaway", Kiss "Heaven's On Fire" ------------------------------ Subject: 6.3 What's a bootleg? A bootleg is a record that contains an illegal or unauthorized recording of the band. They're also called "ROIO's": Recording Of Illegal/ Indeterminate Origin. These recordings are used to make LP's and in the last few years CD's. Most have a catchy title and a nice photograph on the front. How about the first Hogarth-Marillion CD bootleg, which is called "Something Fishy Going On".... The source of the recordings can vary from someone who taped a concert with his walkman, to an original DAT recording directly from the equipment of the band. Sometimes a radio broadcast is used. Quality of the bootleg can vary from very poor to excellent. ------------------------------ Subject: 6.4 How many bootlegs are there? There are many bootlegs on vinyl (LP), but I'm not sure how many exactly, but it is around 250 boots. Far less bootlegs are available on CD, currently there are 56 known bootlegs for both Fish and Marillion. A full listing of these CD-bootlegs is available from the listserver, see question 1.7 for info how to get it. This listing contains info on date, time, label and location. It also contains tracklistings and a short review of the disc. ------------------------------ Subject: 6.5 Where can I buy bootlegs? They're usually hard to get because bootlegs are illegal. But if you're lucky, you can run into some at a record store. They're generally easier to buy in Europe than the States. Another way is to buy bootlegs is via mail-orders. Mail order companies that carry Marillion and Fish boots are located in Germany and Italy, but this changes often. Check specialized magazine's for ads, otherwise ask on the list if anyone has more info. Sometimes bootlegs are even offered for sale on the list. The Marillion and Fish fanclubs also offer several 'official' bootlegs for sale, more on this in question 7.3. If you are interested in getting good tapes with live recordings, contact Bill Frech (71034.2352@compuserve.com), who offers hunderds (thousounds?) of live recordings for sale (both audio and video!). He has a comprehensive list you can get for as little as $1.00 ($1.50 for Canada, $2.00 rest of the world, USD only). This list includes tracklisting and short comments on source/sound quality. Highly recommended! His postal address is: Bill Frech 3532 Fox Chase Drive Imperial, PA 15126 U.S.A. (412)695-1699 If you're interested in trading, drop him a line, as he is always searching for new material! A source for bootleg CD's is John Young (jry@ufcc.ufl.edu), he has a huge list with hundreds of bootlegs, including a number of Fish and Marillion CD's. The list is available on request, but there's no info on quality or tracklisting. Please get a copy of the bootlist for this info. I have no experience with buying from him. ------------------------------ Subject: 7.1 Addresses of Marillion Fanclubs The official Marillion fanclub network is called 'The Web'. This does however not mean that the other fanclubs don't get support from the band. After all... they are the biggest fans! *** The Web UK P.O. Box 533 Richmond, Surrey TW9 2EX United Kingdom *** The Web Holland Postbus 208 2740 AE Waddinxveen The Netherlands Phone: +(31)-1228-11446 (only Monday between 19:00 and 21:00 CET) Membership: Fl.24,50 (Dutch guilders) *** The Web USA P.O. Box 7013 Streamwood Illinois 60107-7013 Unites States of America *** Blue Angel 25.15 Avenue Cachin 59282 Douchy-les-Mines France *** Real to Read P.O. Box 8 20090 Aeroporte Milano, Linate Italy *** The Release Heudorfstrasse 10 D-7440 Nuertingen Germany *** Jester UL-Brzozowa 30/22 40-170 Katowice Poland *** Flaming Shroud 23, Dawes Close Armitage, Rugeley, Staffs WS15 4BE England *** The Marillion Fanzine 52, Wheelwright Lane Holbrooks, Coventry CV6 4HH England ------------------------------ Subject: 7.2 Addresses of Fish fanclubs The official Fish fanclub web is called 'The Company'. Many countries have their own Company, but the 'original' Company is in Scotland. It is run by Fish's mother! *** The Company Scotland P.O. Box 3 Haddington East Lothian EH4 3TA Scotland *** The Company Holland P.O. Box 23815 2502 GV Den Haag The Netherlands Phone: +(31)-70-399.88.90 *** The Company North America dept. kd PO Box 20766 Castro Valley, CA 94546 For now, one year subscription is $15 and this includes special merchandise discounts. This will not be a detailed as the Company Scotland thus I recommend keeping your subscription to the Company Scotland if you desire that in depth information that Fish details there. *** Company Austria Kaistrasse 24/3/19 1100 Vienna Austria *** The Company Germany Post Fach 3022 5205 St. Augustin 3 Germany *** The Company Belgium Distelstraat 63 1030 Brussels Belgium *** The Company Italy Via Latuada 20 20135 Milano Italy *** Company Scandinavia Per Hansson Lindormsgatan 55 502 37 Boras Sweden *** Company France BP 52, 92332 Chatillon-Cedex France ------------------------------ Subject: 7.3 What about the official bootlegs? MARILLION: Marillion have released three live CD's on their own label, called Racket. The first one is called "Live at the Borderline" which was recorded at the Borderline club in London at May 9, 1992. The second disc is called "Live at Caracas" and was recorded in Caracas Argentine on September 30, 1992. The Caracas recording is much cleaner and according to some better than the Borderline disc. Others prefer the Borderline disc because it's closer to a 'real' live concert (i.e. it's not perfect). More info is in the bootleg list (see chapter on bootlegs). The third disc is called "Live at Glasgow Barrowlands", and is recorded on December 4, during the Seasons End tour. These bootlegs are only available to fanclub members, they can order two copies of each disc. FISH: Fish too has released several official bootlegs, 5 total. These are all high quality double CD's with at least 100 minutes of material and cost only 14 pounds (plus 1 pound postage in the UK, more elsewhere). Five more CD's will be released in the future. The 5 2CD bootlegs of The Company Scotland are available ALSO for non-members. I think you can buy any quantity. The Fish bootlegs are also for sale in many local CD shops in the USA, for prices between $20 and $30 US dollars, keep your eyes open! If you're clueless where to look, ask someone on the list. ------------------------------ Subject: 8.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend? There are many bands that make the same kind of music (often referred to as "progressive rock") as Marillion. Here are some suggestions you may want to check out: Anglagard Genesis (*) Aragon Haze Arrakeen i.Q. Asgard Pallas Cathedral (US) Pendragon Chandelier Pink Floyd (*) Dream Theater (*) Rush (*) Peter Gabriel (*) Shadowland Galahad Twelft Night (*) has its own mailinglist. This is just a small selection of many good bands that make great music. Every now and then there is a discussion on the Freaks list on different music than just Marillion/Fish. That's were I got some of the above mentioned bands. Further you can check out the UseNet newsgroup alt.music.progressive. A special mailinglist for progressive music is Gibraltar. They have a quite big survey file, available as ftp://ftp.uwp.edu:/pub/music/lists/gibraltar/1993prog-survey.tex.tar.Z This list covers over 1000 bands. Highly recommended! Please note that the filesize is 536586 bytes. It is also available in smaller pieces in the subdirectory 1993survey/*. For more info on the addresses of other musical mailinglists, get the Musical List of Lists, maintained by the Cleveland Freenet music sig. Send mail to mlol-request@wariat.org and you'll get the latest version. :::::::::::::::::: END OF THE MARILLION/FISH FAQ-LIST :::::::::::::::::: -- Ken Bibb "When all but hope is lost kbibb@qualcomm.com You believe at any cost jester@crash.cts.com In things that make the living lighter" --David Sylvian